Getting real with OG Hybrid Athlete, Jesse Bruce

In this Living the Fit Life episode, we dive into endurance sports and obstacle course racing with special guest Jesse Bruce (@oa_jbruce), an OG Hybrid athlete and co-founder of One Academy in Toronto. With an impressive resume that includes top finishes in races like the World's Toughest Mudder and OCR World Championships, Jesse shares his inspiring journey and how fitness helped him overcome his darkest days. We discuss the power of hard work and determination, the rise of the hybrid athlete, and the importance of community in the world of fitness racing. Join us as we explore the Hyrox fitness racing experience, the benefits of being fit across multiple sports, and Jesse's personal experiences with performance, nutrition and recovery.

Take advantage of this inspiring conversation about strength, community, and living a high-performance lifestyle!

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Chapters:

(0:04:49) - The Power of Fitness
(0:17:10) - The Benefits of Fitness Racing
(0:27:04) - The Rise of the Hybrid Athlete
(0:38:10) - The Inclusive Fitness Community
(0:43:27) - Strength and Community Building Through Fitness
(0:52:23) - Performance Nutrition for Adults
(1:01:15) - Flexible Training for Endurance Athletes

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Transcript

Community members, coaches, and professionals working as a team of like mining individuals in constant pursuit. Connecting this exclusive group with the tools and resources they require to live a high performance lifestyle, conquering where life has turned at them. We are Living the Fit Life. Welcome to Living the Fit Life podcast episode sixty six. I'm your host, Chad Mueller. And if this is your first Living the Fit Life episode, welcome. Happy to have you joining. Usually dive into fitness, nutrition recovery, all sorts of awesome fitness topics. And then those have been around for a while. You know, the drill. This is season three. This is episode sixty six. And first episode for my staple cohost, coach ADJ. How's it going, buddy? Good to be back, man. First time in season three, I've been on here and first I'm in a long time, so this is awesome. Yeah. Yeah. We took a little bit of break, and then, yeah, we've had some pretty cool guests on with Dave and Presley the past few weeks. And and, yeah, super excited about our conversation today with a fantastic guest again.

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Our guest today is Jesse Bruce, he's an OG Hybrid athlete, He's the co founder and programming director of one Academy in Toronto. He has a legit resume. If I can just list up a few things here. Third place world toughest mudder. So I wanna get into the twenty four hour tough mudder version. Third place national or sorry, North American champs o c r and three k and fifteen k pro, first place team at o c r world champs. He's done fifty plus Spartan races, an ultra beast. He's done triathalons. I think six overall in the AG Muskoa, seventy point three. He's done. Trail runs barebone ultra fifty k, so this guy's an endurance beast, and you just recently just did high rocks, which is really cool. We've talked about Hiroxx a little bit in the podcast before and he plays sixth place in the pro division. So a stacked resume.

0:02:01
How's it going, Jesse? Good. Yeah. I realize that you guys Yeah. Great, man. Great, man. I mean, that's, like, that's an insane man.

0:02:09
Like like, you how long have you been doing sort of this endurance type stuff like racing? Well, I would say I started I'm a late bloomer, so I didn't even start running till I was about twenty nine late bloomer going to school too. Get in my act together, join the Cross Country team. And then from there, just as I was finishing up, that's probably about the start when obstacle course rating racing started to explode. And then I did my first first ops will go forth. I loved it. I loved the the, you know, the endurance of speed being a runner and then having to having to be strong and overcome these obstacles and the caries and whatnot and that it fit my it fit me well and I and I loved everything you kinda stood for and then just been kinda doing everything from there. So the past ten years ago, I think this year is my tenth year. That's so cool. That's so cool.

0:03:07
And Adam, like, you you introduced me to Jesse, and when I look at this resume, when I hear this, it sounds a lot like what you're up to lately. Like, how did you guys sort of first meet? Well, it's kind of what I'm up to, but usually my credentials don't quite stack up. You're you're getting there. You're getting just a few of them. Just, like, hanging around in the weeds as Jesse stands on the podium at these races again? Okay. We're good. Yeah. No. I've seen I've seen your cross fit stuff, and that that's just that in my opinion, that's just that a whole other level, like, the amount of the amount of time and skill that that takes to get, like, master all those lifts and then to me, it's mind blowing. Like, I don't I don't even know how you do it. Yeah. It's it's definitely a complex sport, but I'm fascinated. So I kinda got to know Jesse when I started into Iron Man in triathlon training because our head coach Mark Collin, him and Jesse cross paths in the cross country world, I think. And and they they've always raced each other and and trained and and competed and and whatever. So and then Jesse raced Muskoa, half ironman. He's three or four years ago now, which is crazy. That was his first or second half ironman crushed it there. And then, anyways, the the rest is history. Now he's he just, you know, grabs on to these different sports and and ends up on That's just which is slow.

0:04:49
I I have to ask Jesse, like, out of all the different sort of accolades you've sort of reached in regards to these sports, like, which like, I'm and so just so, you know, most of the listeners know that I'm pretty naive to the endurance world. I try to understand more. I sort of probably sound more of a beginner than I actually am on these podcast. But which one of the like, which one stands out as, like, a huge feat for you in regards that with one of these races or one of any of these things? Like, do you have a specific highlight that you always remember? You know what? I I think that third place podium at the world's toughest Mutter twenty four hour event. I don't know. I think between that and the OCR World Championships, those podiums there, like, Like, that that twenty four hour one probably really sticks out because that was a it was a nasty freaking force and you're fighting So you're trying to get as many five mile laps complete in the twenty four hours as you can, and different obstacles are all putting up.

0:05:53
And then also, it ended up being so it's in November when it was in Atlanta, and I had I had to I had to top out the year before in Vegas at about the seventy mile mark for due to hypothermia Like, I was yeah. I got it was bad. So I was like, okay. Atlanta is gonna be a bit warmer. One of the deal with the cold is much. Like, in Vegas, I guess, freaking cold in the middle of the night out there in the desert. So anyway, but then as we approach to this one, the weather is like, stay in cold and it ended up being the coldest night day in Atlanta's, like, history on Denver. It was freezing. Like, it was ice forming, and you're in and out of this freezing cold water. And, like, the wind is just, like, piercing your skin and you're struggling with a equipment, like, holding on to this stuff. So I just grinded that out. I ran, like, ninety miles or something. So that's gonna be if if the honest is calm or, like, four hundred obstacles or something ridiculous like that, like, just my hands were, like, three times a size, my face, my feet, like, as a but I was pretty proud of myself for enduring that, but then Like, the Ironman has a whole different meaning to me because Ironman, like, at the lowest point of my life way back in the day I used to I used to really struggle, and I remember, seeing an Ironman on TV.

0:07:16
And I was like, you know what? One day I'm gonna do an Ironman and call myself an Ironman and then you know, for me, it's hard. You won't you gotta get that fitness. Two, you gotta be able to afford all this freaking stuff. Right? And that's what turns some people off it. But for me, it's like a sign of, like, hard work and, like, success and what you've been through and going to school and getting all those certs and putting in those long hours and all those years that you didn't make no money. Right? And then finally, being able to afford a bike. So let's just sign how far I've man.

0:07:47
So I think finishing that that full ironman was special and then qualifying for Kona at Trangla. Was was up there also. So those are the the the big highlights for me. Yeah. That's That's pretty I mean, that's pretty amazing. Yeah. That that toughest motor sounds sort of ridiculous. It's insane. It's nuts. It's nuts. And the people that are doing it are nuts too, I imagine. Yeah. And it really attracts a lot of, like, really hard for like, really top endurance athletes you'll find out there. So every year is really competitive. So I was proud proud myself to be up there with some big guys that come from all over the the world, really. That's cool. That's cool. And, yeah, so I wanna dive into more of the races and stuff like that.

0:08:38
But I I I wanted to sort of I usually ask, like, where things sort of started for you. I would like to understand more about how sort of fitness brought you out of sort of I know you mentioned a few times like a sort of a a dark place of your life. How did sort of fitness how did it turn in how did fitness lead into this, like, really impressive resume? And, like, how did you start getting into that fitness area? Like, what made you make that switch?

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Well, for me, I used to be pretty athletic as a kid. I love playing baseball, hot heat, you know, me and my friends just sports all day every day. And then, you know, I played rep and whatnot. I was pretty good. But, you know, as we got older, everybody else was growing. I'm a little bit of a late bloomer stopped growing. You know, I struggled with confidence as self esteem. You know, stop playing sports, got into kinda other stuff, partying, smoking weed, drinking, you know, that that that that that went down a pretty long, you know, dark road itself for a lot of years and then I discovered you know, let's just say I I got pretty my life got pretty out of control and I that I was in and out of jail and whatnot.

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And, you know, I was about nineteen years old and I was, you know, into some pretty bad stuff. And, you know, I'd lost all my weight. I was skinny. You know, you can see every bone in my body. I couldn't I couldn't even physically physically eat. And I went to I was in jail for about six, seven months there, and they actually had a weight set, and I was eating regularly. And, you know, I honestly just I put on, like, probably twenty, thirty pounds of muscle in the in that six, seven months, and we're just working at it every day. You know, I was reading all the muscle and fitness and flex magazines and just it just really it made me it feel good about myself, and I didn't you know, it was a long time before I had anything to feel good about myself. Or I I know it's self in school. So for me, it just the boost in confidence, self esteem. It changed my life.

0:11:00
And then for the first time in a while, I had some hope. I was like, you know, when I got out and some people saw the change in me, they were like, holy shit. Jesse, like, what do you do? And I started bringing people to the gym. And then I was like, man, maybe I can do this do this for a living. Right? I I gotta be a personal trainer. I wanted to help people who struggled with the same stuff I did. Mind you, I didn't just change my life right there and it's still up and down struggle to get Finally, I got my act together, got into college for fitness and health promotion, just wanted to be a personal trainer. Right? I didn't I never thought about making money. I didn't think about, you know, for me, it was more life or death at that situation. Like, I just need to do do something in that you know, I I ended up getting a school, working hard, got really good marks.

0:11:45
I was able to, you know, I finished, you know, top of my class and was able to bridge over to third year kinesiology at University of Guelph Humber, and they had a cross country team there. And And, you know, I'd always been just weight lifting, aesthetics, trying to get that bench bench and squat that lift up, and you know, I I would ring around a bit, whatever. But, you know, I got, like, university there at twenty nine years old, and I thought, hey, maybe I can try out for this fast country team, that'd be kinda fun and that it was fun because they all these kids are, like, seventeen, eighteen, nineteen years old. Some kid comes out to me. He shakes my hand thinking on the coach. I'm here to try out.

0:12:27
When did that first try out? Jabber, and I I was a lot, like, bigger than too. But I had I still had hustle and hard. I was just grinding through this workout with everything that I had and that I made that team and it was it was cool to see how much that team changed my life just being a part of, you know, that those brothers and sisters fighting through those those workouts and doing those races. At the time, we're we're held to me. Right? Like, an eight kilometer race, all everything you have. Like, frank man. That was hell. I was suffering, but I could barely even walk to this walk so sore like these workouts. So I was probably only running, like, forty kilometers a week too. No easy roads. No long roads. Just doing the workouts. And but, anyway, the more you learn, the better you get, And I got I got, you know, a lot faster over those next couple of years. I ended up being tapped into that team and It was just really cool to be a part of it.

0:13:22
And I wanted to I wanted to create something like that. I wanted to create that, like, community that's family, you know, I like, for me, I know that working hard, you know, put yourself in some pain, your body will change. I know that, you know, physically changing your body can change your your mood, whatever you're going to make you feel better about yourself, your mental health, I know that, you know, having a lot of that community is good for your emotional health and, like, it's all it's not just physical. It's not just getting finished stronger. You know that all around health and feeling better. You know, not not wanting this not wanting to die no more and not struggling and that you don't want them to do good thing and have it just like catapulting and building in the bigger and more stuff. And I wanted the you know, bring people a part of that. That's right when obstacle course scenes started kind of blowing up. When I went and I did my first event and I ended up winning it, I was like, okay. Great.

0:14:21
Because for me, I started taking business courses. I graduated Kinesiology, wanting to start a business. No idea how where to even start. So I took business. And then that key obstacle course racing became big. And then from you, it was just trying to stick out as much as I can. So whether it made winning races, working harder, doing things different my way, and I started my first company, time for more fitness. So I I gotta I wanna pitch competition. I want some money. I put together business plan. I bought a van. I filled it up with everything you can think of that you can throw, Kerry, Pull, drag, Lyft, and then a lot traditional stuff too. And I went and I would set up these crazy obstacle course trading camps at Centennial Park. In Tabakoe and Shihuzzi and Brampton and just made these epic courses to use a whole freaking feel like I would make these We'd have one, two, and three kilometer courses. And then once a month, that would have the ultimate barrier. And I would spread all this stuff over the entire field and that people loved it. And that was cool. And my thing I grew and I started my I got a facility the year after. Someone saw what I was doing. And then from there, that didn't work out so well, but I built a community, other people saw what I was doing. And we partnered on making a bigger thing, one academy.

0:15:44
So that's a that's a long story I mean, it's amazing and a very inspiring story. I mean, you definitely walked a walk and talk to talk. Right? Like, that's pretty incredible. Thanks. Pretty incredible. Yeah. Like, I mean, kudos to you for, you know, going through that and and coming out to their side in such a significant way. Right? Like, that's amazing.

0:16:12
And it sounds like you live through the, like, live through the dark times and you kind of really, like, relied on hard work like it. It sounds like hard work is the common theme here. Like, it seems like Yeah. The the tough mutter or the toughest mutter is just really hard work. Right? And it's like, well, it seems like you're just down like, deep down, you're just a hard worker. That's that's my model. All you gotta do is work hard. Like, even these days, like, you know, I wish I could tell. I always used to worry about what the heck I was gonna do when I grew up because I didn't I was smart. I was always behind. I was small. And honestly, like, even people today, I'm like, all you gotta do is work hard and you'll go far I'll take someone. I'll take a hard worker any day in someone making constant mistakes over someone, you know, drilling it and lazy. Yeah. Aim into that. Aim into that. So what is So I wanted to ask you about HiRox because we've me and Adam have talked about it.

0:17:10
Adam's sort of been intrigued to -- Yeah. -- keep you at once or twice. There's another guy that we know that's been doing it. How was how was a high record experience for you? You all need a great It was awesome. I loved it. It was I know, like, it just throws another wrench in my plan because I'm like, shit. What do I really wanna focus on, you know, one of these events and do really good at it. I love trap. On. I love Occidental Force racing.

0:17:36
So I was the big part of my life, and I went and I did this high rocks, and it was and it was a cool event. Like, it was just tightly ran, well organized, exciting yeah. Just the, you know, their timing system even in just the events and, like, it's easy to kinda train for. You can simulate it at your own gym and just going back to hard work. Like, it straight up hard work. Like, you know, off to go cross racing, you kinda gotta dial it back a bit. There's some crazy you know, ninja warrior rigs and you gotta, you know, work your way through that if you're, you know, at a hundred percent, it's, you know, it's zaps you in in in the fail those, but this is just straight up run work, you know, run, ski, run, sled, run, sled, the rest of this stuff, like Burpee broad jumps, dormitory, lunges is just yeah. I loved it.

0:18:35
Sounds like a guy, like Adam should be doing this for sure. All of those things make sense. Yeah. I'm just dreaming for when it comes this way, and I think it must everybody's a lot of people are going down there to do it. It seems to be exploding everybody since we talk about everybody's talking about it at our gym. It's, you know, you'll see our cross fit athletes there. You'll see runners there. There was a lot of triathletes there. The one I went in Houston and then you're just all your gym people. You know, so it's it's really cool.

0:19:03
I like the idea of fitness racing do. So it's something I've, you know, really been kinda doing at our gym forever trying to find a an inclusive standardized way of measuring your fitness and performance. These guys just did it. You know, what makes them really stick out is just how organized it was. How does it seems that, you know, you think there might be backlog or whatever, but the whole thing slowed perfect. I love the exercises they picked. Even the, you know, the pain at the end the next day, you're not you're not beat up. Like, you just feel like you went through a solid workout. And you can just kinda unleash hell and you can't go. You know, it's still it's still gonna be over an hour long. Right? So you can't go. I think a lot of people go too hard out of the gate. And but yeah. So it's really cool. Yeah. I'm super excited to give it a try. Yeah.

0:19:59
Saw you post on Instagram like a week or two ago and just exactly what you said there, you were like, man, just wanted to focus on one thing, but then you know, I can't. Yeah. Oh, so I was like I was like, man, I'm freaking just stressing out which one I gotta do. Also got this freaking expensive bike. So I have to do triathlons. Oh, man. So that's for sure. And then you throw this in the mix and it's it's great. But I think you can train for all of them.

0:20:28
Like I said in that post, like, I find cycling goes a long way with a lot of stuff. I don't know if you find it help any any of your crossfits stuff. But, you know, since I picked up biking and I find my hill climbing better, and then, you know, I was able to handle I didn't trained for that high rocks like a super amount. I went and, you know, felt a lot of the a lot of the stations in the exercise. I did some kind of simulation stuff and that you know, my I found and I'm not, like, the I wasn't the biggest guy there, but, you know, I'm probably towards a smaller end than you know, I was able to push that sled faster than most in the the lunges. I got chilled on the sled pole for practice that sled more. That cost me big.

0:21:10
There's a little bit of technique in that, I think. Hey, look. Yeah. We wanna get I think you wanna get low in that squat reach long because there's a little bit of stretched of the rope. And, yeah, just be ready for that. So I've been doing it over and over and over again. That I think is I'm going I'm going back I'm going to Anna. I'm in a couple. Yeah. Right. We're going right back at it. Oh, easy. And and that's the North America chance. I don't think so.

0:21:38
It's it's kind of the last one of the season for the world championship. So there's a lot of people trying to go and qualify or get into what this is called as the elite fifteen. Like, basically, the top fifteen times from the plan hit. No. That's it's really cool. The timing. As soon as you finish, you know, you see your time of the day, you see your place and time in each individual station, but then you also see your place and time compared to history. Every single person in your age group, every single person ever. Like, the whatever they did out of like, the timing system is just tightly. They figured that out because I've been trying to do timing systems, whatever. It is expensive. So whatever the heck they've done, like, they they they got it down. They're all fifteen times below an hour. Yeah. Now the slowest time, the fifteenth place time, My buddy, Rich, just did it in the last event.

0:22:42
I think it was, like, fifty nine twelve or something. So you gotta run, like, you gotta do the eight k of running in about thirty to thirty five minutes? Yeah. I think low thirty is, like, it looks like I think the pace is that's top guys are still running all that, you know, sub three fifty. Wow. And then obstacles, yeah, three fifty per kilometer and then the obstacles. They all vary a little bit. Right? But about four of them. Yeah. I think I think your biggest time makers. Like, if you can go, like, you're gonna crush the sled So that would be huge.

0:23:16
The herpes I found the herpes were hard, but running after the burpees? Was it the hardest? What about the lunges? So the lunges? Running after the lunges? Yeah. Like, lunges, for me, lunges are my jam, so I was I freaking cooked those and was able to get right into the run. I think and the rower I found running hard to out of. That's, like, running off the white phone today. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So do it a little more of that? After the sled, it's for sure hard, but it's it's hard for everybody. So Cool. Yeah. It seems like I think Hunter just did it in, I think, fifty four So you're gonna take down biceps, win races or what?

0:24:05
I don't think he's a Vishi. I don't think I don't think anyone's taking that. He's a great runner, and now he's he's strong. Right? Yeah. Yeah. I was gonna ask I was gonna ask you because this is a conversation we've had a lot. It's, like, who's gonna end up being, like, the high rocks type athlete? Right? Is it gonna be the cross sitter that was good at running? Or is it gonna be the triathlete or runner that somehow becomes significantly stronger. Right? Like, is this, like Yeah. Yeah. Go ahead. I think it's the crossfitters that can run. Because I've seen some really fast cross cross fit, Robert. And I think Adam's gonna crush it too if you're your running game has picked up huge. Has it not? Like, you trust that barrel in seventy point three last year. Yeah. You're right.

0:24:54
I'm I'm getting closer to being comfortable at that, like, four minute per kilometer threshold kind of mark, and then the obstacles. Yeah. I I I think those with my training would be kinda rigged in my wheelhouse. So, yeah, I'm excited to do it. I I just got a forty I'm on data. Are you waiting for them to come to Canada to know what I'm waiting for? I'm like, you, man. It's like, you've you fit it in, you know, next year. Sure. But I'm like, I'm trying to, you know, look on the calendar. Like, where do I fit this Yeah. Some racing, but maybe I'll try to get one in, like, in next season, Yeah. That's what I that's what I'm kinda leaning towards.

0:25:37
So I'm gonna do this one, then get into kinda triathlon and some more road races, seasonally, do some fives and tens, half Miracles and some seventy point three in Olympic throughout the summer. And then I think I'm gonna go long, try to get my colon spot in the fall. And then I think once I have that, just spend, like, October to, like, March just doing, like, high rocks. Because the way I'm looking at it is, like, okay. I could still bike they'll swim a couple times a week, but then just really build that a crazy, like, strength foundation and keep my running up And then I think that would if I take that into March, April, and then just straight up March, April from there just legit focus on on Kona, knock on wood hope I can qualify. That's that's my plan in a in a nutshell. Amazing.

0:26:32
I think, like, to your point, when you're fit, you're fit. So the carryover -- Yeah. -- carryover I'm realizing more and more every year is like compounds. Right? So know, the fitter you get on the bike, the fitter you get in your run game, the stronger you get it all like goes together, which is amazing. Yeah. Yeah. No. I I was gonna ask because we you're just saying that, like, if you're fit, you're fit. Right? But, like, I know Jesse on Instagram, you you have I was hybrid ing before. It was even cool.

0:27:04
Like, we've we've heard the hybrid athlete as a really Buzz were the past few years. I remember, Adam, one of the first podcasts we talked about. Adam's sort of he was he was pretty deep in the cross. He got introduced to to Endurance. We talked about this hybrid athlete. And I know Nick Barry also talked so there's a lot of, like, hybrid athletes out there now.

0:27:21
Like, what is your thoughts on, like, this idea? Do you feel like it's just like a buzzer at the time? And we've always been this way? Or, like, what do you think? Or is it because of the of the increase in sports kinda like CrossFit and Hiroxx and other sports that are kind of bringing a lot of different things into one modality or -- Yeah. -- multiple modalities into one sport. Yeah. Yeah. It's interesting.

0:27:42
Is this there's so much stuff out there and people where they wanna do everything. Like, even at my gym, like, people just wanna do everything together and it's, like, such fOMO in that. Well, god. I I think it's awesome. It's cool. And that's why I like like Adam's, you know, compete at the top.

0:27:57
Like, it's one thing to you know, I see a lot of, like, you know, this hybrid athlete pool and you're kinda just doing a race or whatever that doing, like, an ultra trail, like, kinda walking in or just finishing it. And that's cool and, like, whatever, what is, like, you know, it's like, come on. Like, anybody can just go and finish something. I can go freaking, you know, walk an ultra chill marathon tomorrow and get do a freaking marathon swimmer. So then for me, it's like training for them and competing at them and doing your best at them and put yourself with some pain. Like, I wanna see people, you know, cool. You're lifting the the weight at the gym and you're gym, that's awesome. And then you're you know, you're you're running on the treadmill twenty minutes a week and then doing a half marathon and and seeing your whatever you This is nice. Like, you know, let's freaking let's op it a bit. Like, you know, let's see some freaking putting yourself in some pain for for But I think to your point, Jesse and Chad, like, I think to go deep dive all into crossfit or all into Ironman or all into OCR can become a daunting punishing task in itself and you can get, like, sucked into that and almost, you know, spiral out of control that way.

0:29:24
So I think just, like, constantly maybe it's because of our ADHD, but I just need that, like, stimulus of different, you know, challenges and to push the limits. Yeah. Yeah. That's true. And that's another thing. I find myself more motivated to kinda like, excites me more to kinda you know, try to try to do as good as I can of some of these stuff or Right. Like, the difference between qualifying for Kona and winning Kona, Like, you're in the top one percent in the world to qualify for Kona. But to win Kona, you you know, the best trap we Oh, yeah. Or, like, you know, just, like, to qualify for high rocks world championship elite, you know, like, it's it's fun to just depth be diverse. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Mhmm. That'll make sense.

0:30:26
I I think I think for sure, like, you know, being motivated by doing different things is is an easy way to be motivated, I guess. I guess, some people would say, well, I'm overwhelmed by just, like, like, some people might just say, like, the week and worry would be, like, I'm just overwhelmed by this training block. Right? Like, they might just be, like, just keep me on this standard path. Right? We see that a lot of cross fit. Right? People jump across it. And they stay in cross for for quite some time until maybe they start getting banged up or they get injured and they kind of pull it back. But you know, they they stay there because it's sort of one lane.

0:30:56
And and Crossett has done a really good job of kind of bringing in lots of different modalities into one single sport. Right? And now it seems like these additional sports have sort of like the endurance sports and the high rock sports and even like some of the powerlifting. Like, they've all kind of started to milled a bit like that too. So imagine it can be like, I I was gonna ask you, like so you're mentioning Jesse, like, you just sort of your lineup for the rest of the year.

0:31:19
Like, how do you balance your training for for all these different variety of sports, do you look at it? Like, for the next three months, I'm doing x? And then three months after that, I'm doing x? Like, do you actually schedule it out like that in, like, training blocks? You know what? I'm I'm not actually to admittedly I'm not actually very good at, like, just sketching up my room kinda you know, program or whatever. Like, I know, you know, what I need in the night in the night. For me, I just look for you know, the the pair allows in all of them. Right?

0:31:54
Like, I know and I I mentioned this in the post, like, they all involve running. You know, I should be doing my my threshold running. I should be doing my, you know, my VL2 Max intervals, that's gonna benefit high rocks here, that's gonna benefit triathlon here, obstacle course racing here. Like, right now, I'm doing a lot of a lot of lifting essentially building that that base string, trying to get a little bit stronger, and then that's gonna help my, you know, obstacle course racing here, log in some freaking, you know, heavy sandbags up the side of a mountain or carrying your body weight through a rig or something. So there's a lot of parallels in my strength training right now. So right now, I'm doing a lot of you know, I am doing a lot of dads, back squat, bench press, and then and then incorporating a lot of that specific stuff into it too. And then Yeah. And then just pretty much, you know, for and for me, I just think biking and biking helps everything.

0:32:55
Swimming is, like, my nice even though I've been, like, gonna get back in the pool a little more right now. But us swimming is just gonna help everything by So it means almost like a a easy workout. You just kinda chill. I don't need I'm already fit. I don't need to do a swim workout I need to just go and swim technique and practice, you know, being able to go along and, you know, being efficient or whatever. So I can save a work out there. And, yeah, that's pretty much, like, it like, one second. You're very modest.

0:33:30
I love your I love your simplified approach. I mean, it makes sense. Right? Running is, like, the common thing. So just run, but, like, then just like, yeah. The swing is pretty easy. It's just like, okay. Yeah. So I kinda wanna go week by week and then, like, I overlooked and then, like, I know, you know, what I need and what's coming up.

0:33:46
And I'm constantly changing my mind and start to and what I wanna do. I'm still trying to figure out, like, what half Martha, I'm gonna do. I just signed up for the Pride five k, so I'm gonna try to set I wanna try to get that sub sixteen. I've always wanted to get in that in June So and then I got the seventy point three in July. So I'm like, okay. Sweet. I can do this. I mean, not and we get this start there. And then awesome. Awesome. Of course, is a jude and audiences. So it's like a and then I'm like, hey. Then I gotta start go after that pride when I gotta start really getting some mom bikes in.

0:34:19
So I'm gonna do a full ironman because that's the the full ironman just changes everything because it's getting out there for all those hours is a different kind of you're out there freaking enduring and you need to Like, if you're not ready for a full Ironman, like, that can throw you off for months after. Yeah. I think the full Ironman and then the training focus has to shift more, like, you have to be unfortunately, you have to be all in. You can't be doing strengthening. Yeah. There's stuff. Yeah. You gotta get out there for those thirty, thirty five k runs, those five, six, seven hour bike rides, those runs off the bike. Every day. You gotta get out there for those, like, an hour and a half winds out there in the open water. And so But my theory is I'm just hoping all this training right now and this this heavy stuff is gonna help really help get go long.

0:35:21
Like, I've like, my my endurance comes from strength. And I think I I don't know. I like the idea of that strength base that gonna help that that insurance makes them just getting out there and time on feed, time on the saddle, time on the water. And Yeah. I think that's awesome because I I'm so robotic and and structured that, like, in Ironman season, I'll do some strength training, but it's, like, very like, I'll I'll back off whether it's just half Ironman or full Ironman. And then in CrossFit season, I'll do one bike in one run a week, but I back off. But I'm my my big goal going forward like you is to find this, like, perfect balance. Yeah.

0:36:10
Ultimate training plans to, like, collide both worlds and be able to do like a seventy point three and like a cross fit competition and, like, be able to be super high level at both or a high rock. Very nice. Imagine being able to do one weekend. Same to a smaller time. Yeah. I I mean, Well, I think so. Or, like, leave leave CrossFit out and say, like, a high rocks one weekend and a seventy point three the next. Two years later or whatever. Oh, that's that's feasible. I think across the competition in the seventy point three and the the new bowl at a high level, I know. That's but he yeah. Just the the combo of that, like, strength and what is the you know, minimum requirement for both to stay on peak levels. So it it'll be cool. Yeah. And that's that's the hard part, but also kind of fun part being yeah.

0:37:10
These are all new sports. Right? Like, you know, triath on Ironman. Those are old sports, but CrossFit's a new sport. High rocks is a new sport. Even obstacle course racing is a new sport. Like, They haven't really defined a perfect athlete yet for them. That's kind of cool.

0:37:30
Jesse, have you done CrossFit before? I have not done cross I've done, like, a couple of CrossFit like, classes in places, and I liked it. But, like, for me, like, what's prevented me from diving in. Like, for one, I've always been since I started training, I've been a runner. And then Like, I look at just the Olympic lifts, and I'm like, man, it's gonna take me forever to to master those. And, like, even just the gymnastic stuff, I'm like, And that's what I always that's what I'm always amazed by by cross fit athletes.

0:38:10
And it it actually bothers me with people, you know, people bash Frost or whatever. Any kind of fitness, you know, people are both haters out there and it's like, look at what these freaking men and women are doing, like, holy shit. Like, they're like, just the less alone and that this a time, it takes a master, that craft, and then the the gymnastic stuff is just, like, mind blowing. So I'm, like, I'm like, I there's no way I'm gonna be able to, like, have the dedication and time to kinda do do that and do what I I wanna wanna do. I think Office of North Face and Endurance, the one long stuff is is more you know, suited to to me and I just thought Keeps your focus a little better. Yeah. And then I'm, like so I can go learn, cross, step, then this is gonna be down. I might even see you be, like, an average cross bidder. Yeah. It's what a year ago.

0:39:05
I'm, like, a decade into learning the Olympic lifting and gymnastics. Right? So it's like, I don't get damn plus I was a hockey player. So I already did, like, tons of squats, bench dead, power cleans. Like, I already kind of knew that gymnastics is very new, but it's funny that you can still be, like, kinda, like, sky rocks and and triathlon. Like, you can still be pretty damn competitive in CrossFit without being a a master of a couple of those skills. Like, say you're strong. Like, you know, if you're your squad is good and and your your upper body strengthen. Like, you can still be pretty damn good just by being really fit. Which is cool. Yeah. I mean, that's that's, I guess, this is a cross surprise cell phone. Right? Like, not having a master of one, but Yeah. A a mess from many. Right? That's yeah. And that's also open. Like, be be close. There would be a couple movements, but be close How'd you find those how'd you find those hunter wall balls and high rocks at the end?

0:40:14
How was that? Well, then they were freaking nasty. An hour into your workout, and then you got a hundred wall balls. Yeah. I did I did thirty and then seven sets of ten. And was just trying not to take trying not to take too long between those ceses, but I had freaking nothing. And I got really nauseous there too. I was trying not to borrow. I felt good. Like, a million bucks the whole time. It's a right the hair bow. Thirty wall walled left of the hole. Fuck. I didn't even put it in the watch that was some sort of there's something about that, like, net position that position that you got at. Yeah. But it was hard. But the good thing is is the finish line's right there. You have no more months. So that's what I liked about it.

0:40:58
Like I said, straight up, like, work hard. So I have a plan for the next one. I'm hoping to do forty and then five sets of twelve and literally just two twelve, three steps back, right back into it. So Nice. But it's so cool because it's freaking chaos that at that point. Because every person has a rep, he has a rep yelling at me counter at your reps and all your people are right around the fence yelling at you that you have people coming in and everywhere. So as I say, and then you don't know where other people are at. So some guys, people are all beside you and you you know, you're you're thinking they're right, like, on your ass. So you're like, you can't stop, but it says, it's freaking, like, I got to that that finish line, I think. That might have been a lot of pain. I've been in at a finish line. Yeah. They designed it very well with I I love that about Hirocs. Like, they've done a good job with, like, making drama of the finish line -- Yeah. -- with the static No. Without running, without racing across the finish line. Right? Yeah. That's cool. They I'm looking forward to hearing you guys do it. Yeah. Recently, because it's Yeah. They moved it up. Cool.

0:42:10
I wanted to also talk about I mean, both of your both of your sort of super fit communities I mean, I I don't know a lot about one academy, but it sounds like it's very similar to limitless in the sense of, you know, you have a lot of crazy week weekend warriors, eight type personalities, people bouncing, like, high level careers, families, training, sports, like, trying to compete into some sort of sport. How, like, you know, what is it about your communities that make sort of this competing aspect of, you know, fitness racing so important to the community. Yeah. And both of you can answer that. I mean, both of you can answer. I don't know. It's not even as much about the fitness racing. I think I think we just have our community is so inclusive, so welcoming. We really try to, like, make it we really try to design, like, programming and stuff in a way for everybody to stick out. Like, you know, we want it to be for our strength athletes to common, you know, your endurance athletes, your conditioning, your fitness goers, your teams support us. Fleets.

0:43:27
And, yeah, I don't know if it's as much about the fitness. Like, people just come in and they're proud of this community and, like, you know, one person like, one of my coaches went and did the high rocks in New York and then, you know, twenty of us saw it and twenty of us went to to Houston, not as a shitload of them going down in New York. Next month, I'm I can't go because I have triathlon. I'm like, Rick and again, if I didn't have this expensive bike behind me, I might even I might have gone into New York, but Yeah.

0:44:02
Everybody has jumped in and wants to challenge yourself very inclusive. Whether you're that person with the front of the pack, looking to break, get that PR and or you know, that person that's going longer and longer, you know, the person trying something new, like, I think, very yeah. It's very inclusive. That's what makes it well, and I I haven't these guys over here at limitless, I've never are the only ones I've ever seen that are, like, doing something, you know, comparable. As a Yeah. Six I always have a hard time putting it into words too, like, why it it works.

0:44:41
I think it's the type a personality they pull me the gem because they wanna get fit and healthy. But then, you know, when you when you get fit and healthy, the motivation to show up every day, it's nice to have some little goals and check ins and markers and I think these like races and competition and when your friends and your fellow members and the community are all doing it, you know, you get a little demo and you wanna join in with them and you wanna be part of it. So it's like a a community building a way of doing community building in a, you know, way less formal manner and you create these cool memories like twenty people from their gym go to Houston and, you know, how how many memories you create doing that. Right? It's about the race, but it's not. It's about the preparation and the it doesn't matter where anyone finishes. Yeah. That's cool. Yeah. That's nice.

0:45:49
We always try to put purpose to the training too. It's you know, instead of just going in and jumping around and whatnot, like it's nice to kinda create our own finish lines we have our, like, our Saturday morning Everest class, which is essentially a fitness racing event that I've been doing for ten years. It starts off with a circuit, then you know, same thing at the end. It's run, station, run, station, run, station three different levels until you until you're done. And for a lot of people, their goal is goal and do whatever is outside of that. So I was gonna ask you, Jesse. Like, what it what what is the programming at one academy? Like, what would how did you describe it? Like, what was what were the gym guards doing today?

0:46:34
So we we simply call ourselves a strength in cardio gym. So it might look like some people will mistake us for CrossFit though. It looks like a CrossFit box. We have a rig. It's a giant empty space. We have everything, but it's we call ourselves a strength in cardio gym. It probably relates more to like a a team team sports team training that you would see, like, putting more of a box type forms a lot more room to run around.

0:47:02
So we have strength classes. We have conditioning classes. They alternate each day, Monday, Wednesday, Friday are strength right now, Tuesday, Thursday, conditioning. Tuesday is our sprint class. You'll see you'll see a shorter intervals in there, twenty to sixty seconds, you know, getting that that higher intensity, and then our Thursdays are our class called marathon. So that's more that's like a fitness racing style class two where we're guiding people to work for anywhere from six minutes to forty eighteen minutes for the entire, kind of, forty minutes of the class.

0:47:39
And you know, like, you know, it was it'll be, like, in rap style or in rap style, kinda get as many stations done as you can and all kinda similar to the what high rocks has done, like, really make them achievable easy. I I wanna well, I don't wanna say easy, but, like, you know, your wall balls, your spots, your sleds, your keys, your rose, your like you're anything measurable and that can be done. Like, I for me, I've always it's like, okay. I want, you know, a seventy year old man or woman. And a kid to come in on that day and be able to do the workout and understand it. And So we keep it pretty practical for that. Those style classes. And even to be honest with you, all our all our classes, I like that, you know, simple as effective and And so that's pretty much it in our weekend. We have lower body on Saturday afternoon, up or Sunday afternoon. Merit on again Sunday morning, everest, Saturday morning, then a a conditioning class even before that. So I'm gonna get the work of this. That's kinda what our gym looks like amazing. Yeah. Super cool.

0:48:57
I mean, it sounds like a a group of hard workers that yourself Yes. Everybody works freaking hard. I had a I had a Australian football team in the other day just doing a private event. And they got their asses kicked. And I was like, oh, like, these guys would get smoked in any one of our classes. By our our, you know, our everyday gym goers. Right? They might have been, you know, they're probably a bit out of shape their season doesn't start for another eight weeks. So it's a good wake up call for them to probably get together. I bet you'll be a a different team if they came in a couple months. But I basically, proud of your team. Right? Like, everybody works hard, but it's it's always go at your level. But but yeah. Yeah. And I mean, for people listening Go ahead.

0:49:49
I always say, like, man, the level of of fitness inside these gyms compared to the the average population and people who go to the gym every day and think they're fit. Like, just the amount of work that gets completed in every workout every day is, like, it creates create like, you go to the gym and you see a a guy, you know, bench pressing a forty five pound plate or you see a guy squatting two plates and you see a, you know, you just see that all the time in these gyms, not to mention, like, the ability to do a ton of conditioning and and all of that stuff. It's not just one or the other. So it is cool how fit these everyday Joe weekend warriors yet. It's awesome. Yeah. Yeah.

0:50:41
I was I was gonna say, like, for the listeners, definitely Google One Academy. It's it's not just a standard warehouse gym. It look it's pretty impressive. It's quite the facility. And I know it's one of the the biggest and probably the most popular gym in Toronto. So I would say we're up there. We got a we're opening with a second location on the on the -- Oh, nice. -- Chip leading in the Queensway. So we're we're Flankin Toronto. So that'll be open the the summer to Chad, we gotta get down and do one of their -- Yeah. -- their workouts for sure. Yeah. Yeah. Good morning with me at nine AM average. Yeah. We could do some weeks. Okay. That sounds really fun. Let's do it. Let's do it. I I wanted to ask you quickly a little bit sort of about nutrition.

0:51:32
I remember you were saying earlier on, like, there's a time period when your nutrition wasn't so hot. And I know it's one of those things where it's like, once you enter into fitness, right, nutrition is sort of really closely tied to our our fitness games. I wanted to ask you, like, what is you what is your sort of nutrition journey look like? Like, what is your experience of the food like? You know so to be honest with you, food has actually something I struggle with. But I am I'm I don't follow Any whatever diet out there? I mean, you're straight up, eat your fruit and vegetables. We'll eat your fruits, eat your protein, get your protein, and eat your, you know, disease clean, try to eat as much, you know, plant based foods. As I can.

0:52:23
So, you know, a typical day for me is getting up, three eggs, couple of slices of toast, couple pieces of fruit. I love my overnight oats as my midmorning snack. I eat a lot of cereal sandwich for lunch. I normally like a protein, a starch, and a vegetable for dinner. And What kind of cereal are we talking? Oh, I love I eat all cereal. I try to so honestly, you know what I like? It's just a plain cereal. I like like cornflakes and rice, krispy. And -- Okay. -- that's my kind of cheat. You mean, like, special k, the pizzas is a little bit of noodle syrup on there. You're good to go. So that's why I tried because I gotta I do I'm not gonna lie I have a I have a sweet tooth.

0:53:05
And I I am I think, like, I'm gonna I'm gonna recovering alcoholic addict, and I think I still have those. So I Like like, food is something I struggle with sometimes and I go on these bad binges, but I'm feeling like, for me is, like, I'm just constantly in this this mission to just be making sure everything's tight. Because the better I feel, the less I go to And when the last few weeks, honestly, I've been feeling like a million bucks of my diet's been clean. I feel like a million bucks in China. That's funny. Right? Like, I'm forty and I'm still on a you know, I'm like, I quit smoking. I got a dope. I got a booze. Like, I can get half this freaking sugar world. He's still getting in those downtimes. And it's like, you feel like shit about yourself and your backup, but I find those are getting further further between. And for me, it's just like a lifelong battle to get your get your shit together. But now if I I'm like, it's all totally got it now. So it's gonna come together for Colin in next year fully. And I'm gonna have I'm always inspired inspired by the by your teammate Jessica's race last year.

0:54:12
She had a she had in out west there. And it just seems I always think about what she said at the end. Like, having that lace that you were meant to have, that you know you can have. And for me, I'm kind of searching for that because that you know, both the full irons. I did, like, new the nutrition's not being able to hold food down, throwing up. And, like, I'm like, I know I I did good, but I know I way better. So, anyway, I went off the rails there.

0:54:41
What was the question again? Nutrition? No. No. You've heard Well, they clean. Just try to stay No. No. No. No. Have your days. I like to go out for dinner once once a week, whether it's, like, got a dirty burger wing. I've been on a wing. I've been about the wings lately. Okay. I mean, nothing wrong with that. Nothing wrong with that. No. You you answered the the question perfectly. You know?

0:55:07
Like, often sometimes ask, like, like, what's your mindset? Is it, like, performance nutrition? Or are you more, like, from, like, a healthy nutritional outlook. Right? Like, I know you guys, both you and Adam are very much into, like, competing at a pretty high level. Right? So performance nutrition has to go a long way. Right? Yeah. Sometimes there's some sacrifices made during those time periods obviously do make you perform versus more of a more balanced Nutrition. Yeah.

0:55:32
And the good thing is about doing all this stuff is, you know, sometimes the vote it's not only about just getting nutritious foods in here. Sometimes, you know, you just gotta eat. That's right. I love eating like a lot of whatever I got cereal, whatever was, like, muzzy or That's where the cereal comes in. Here y'all throw some fruit and stuff on there. Like, I always I got food. I got carbs with you where I go. That's the one thing I love going during sports and all the athletes. I've got carbs three days. You get yeah. You know what I mean? Never with other cars. Sticky. As long as you're getting some some color in there, you're you can be a little less picky, which is the great part. I'm the same as you, Jessica. I've learned I eat way better in my thirties than I than I did in my twenties.

0:56:23
I used to think that nutrition didn't really matter. Like, I would -- Yeah. -- I would always need a lot of food and and, you know, it wouldn't really affect my body calm. Enough to, like, really care -- Yeah. -- at times I would be in better shape and then at times I would, you know, be in perfect shape. But I would say over the last I don't know. It was three or forty I I would say, like, five or six years ago I started to care. Yeah. But then I developed almost some, like, bad habits from caring, like, too much, and I was so strict -- Yeah. -- and that I was missing out on you know, some of the the nutrients that you need from just like eating, you know, everything like you're staying with cereal and drinking, you know, orange juice and chocolate milk can Over the last two years, I would say, with with endurance training and really focusing on performance nutrition, I've unlocked, like, a new level of performance and recovery.

0:57:30
Just from, like, getting rid of some some, you know, miss, preconceived, like, beliefs that I had inside my head. Yeah. Yeah. Certain things weren't healthy and others. So it's been really nutrition, I would say, plays a bigger role for me now than than it ever has.

0:57:51
And it's I I feel like the the world of endurance you guys do some things really, really well naturally like, you know, eating eating as as many carbs as your body craves. Right? And most of them end up being complex carbohydrates. Some of them end up being you know, simple sugars like cereal and orange juice and chaisin milk and your your nutrition in workouts, like, it's unheard of in the gym world pretty much to, like, you know, fuel your body during a workout. Yeah. So you know, that's that's a necessity in an endurance workout. So it's been really fun to to learn all of that. You mean, like, what do you use for resources? Do you follow anything or you just out there research and learning from wherever?

0:58:46
I've gone through different different stages and evolutions we used in the CrossFit world. We used this company called RP Strength. And then recently, our enduring cloud partner with an awesome and sports nutritionist blueprint nutrition. And she kinda changed the game for me this summer. I I started working with her, and she just kinda, like, made me aware of you know, you're eating enough protein. You're eating too much too much fat and not enough carbs and, like, I thought I had this perfect meal plan. And then, you know, you're I'm a two hundred pound guy. You're you're only you know, fueling before, during and after workouts, like, like, a hundred and fifty pound guy, like, ready to be you need to be eating more oh, nice. That's good. Mhmm. More carbs at the right time and, like, it's it's it's been a game changer, so pretty cool. Yeah. Nice. Yeah. That's that's my next step. I'll see a a sports nutritionist or something. Yeah. I think the the best thing to advise yeah. And then and then A a good one won't change everything you're doing. They just you know, make some tweaks to an already good routine. Right? Yeah. For sure. But I'm at that age too. Forty one. Yeah. You're a whole. Yeah. You're six you're a whole.

1:00:21
I was I was gonna finish with asking you about I mean, based on how you approach a lot of different things, I know you're very, like, you take this simple approach for a lot of different things. So I would like to ask you about recovery. Like, what is your outside of nutrition And it sounds like I mean, you're doing a lot of different training, a lot of different sports. Like, what is your recovery modalities? Like, what are you are you doing anything practice anything specifically about keeping your body sort of fresh and and ready to take on the next challenge? Not really to be honest with you. Like, I don't wanna I don't wanna I don't wanna be swimming. I don't swimming. Swimming. Right. Yeah. So maybe I know when I get my full day off, like, I have my full day off and shut it right down. You know, I I know enough about what I need to take an easy run. I like to For me, I like to tell you what your recovery, especially when it comes to a specific race, starts before before the race.

1:01:15
You know, going into it. With, obviously, when we do a freaking marathon, you have when training, you're gonna get wrecked, you're gonna feel like frigging. You're gonna be done for, like, a month or two. So obviously, the more prepared you are for the race, the faster your recovery is gonna be your nutrition. Clean, even clean, being hydrated. You know, the less the frappier your nutrition is, or the less hydrant than you are, or you have you got your electrolyte in. Again, the shittier you're gonna a little more broken, you're gonna feel. So I always try to just tell people, like and I've been trying to learn this. Like, this is really stuck gotta be stuck out to me lately.

1:01:52
The last, you know, the last Ironman I did at at problem and just still trying to figure out what I can and can't eat during the race because I couldn't, you know, coming out of that swim and on on the bike, I have I've been having a lot of trouble holding nutrition down. I've been, you know, I got I was throwing everything up and, like, it was really hard for me to fall at down and you get to the run, and you're already behind on on carbs and nutrition and you're stretching through this run and it crushing everything inside of these eight, and then, you know, when the race was over, I was freaking wrecked for at least a month. You know, you know, if you, you know, going into it, I could have been, you know, just had that my race day nutrition down. But then you just really find out obviously the more prepared you are going into anything, the better that recovery is gonna be. So I'm always just like, hey, man. Just making sure you're ready for frequent when the day comes.

1:02:53
But the same thing with your training throughout the week. Right? Like, you know, getting getting ahead of it. For me, like, sleep. Sleeping is something I've always had a hard time with. So I schedule my I bounce my workouts around on days where I know I can know, I don't have to get up at four o'clock. I'm wanting to go go to work or whatever. So I try to possibly stuff out out there and And then just Well, that's a that's a cool tip, actually. Like, meet your big training days or the days that you you know you're gonna get some good sleep sleep sleep app to it. Yeah. Cool. Yeah. I like that. I like that. Yeah. We're I think the coolest thing in the endurance world is in the gym world, everyone thinks the recovery is rest days.

1:03:45
In the endurance world, there's so much benefit of getting out for, like, an easy bike rider. Easy bike ride. And that's where I've got a bike triathlon game. It was helped my running even in the awesome of course racing. Because I you know, if I'm feeling banged up, I'm in the pool or on the bike. And, you know, I can get in if I'm feeling banged up from a run or a long run, I did it over the weekend or still tired, I can get in a solid workout on my bike instead of on my feet running, adding, you know, more more stress to my body. So I think over this over time learning, listening, not being, you know, not being being too proud and I just like, I've I'm I'm pretty dialed into my my myself knowing know what I need to take a full day off, know what I need to just wave our bike instead of run.

1:04:44
I find trail and then this is another parallel too, like, obstacle course racing, trail racing, nice to get out there on the trails. So it's less stress of the body. So I'll do my bike runs, and I'll do my run on on the trail. You know, it's a little you're bouncing around the shells, you're, you know, recruiting a lot more different muscles instead of just sounding the pavement, the linear linear movement, like, not getting those, you know, those little muscles and those ligands, whatever version.

1:05:19
I mean, I was gonna say I like that approach of, like, I feel like long time ago it was very much like you wake up a certain amount. Like, you wake up the same time every single day. Right? And you do the same thing every day. So I like the idea of being a bit more flexible where if you know that you're not gonna get the amount of sleep that you need, don't force yourself to wake up that early and then hit a big training session. So, I mean, that's great. That goes against what we're sort of used to, but I think it's a great tip.

1:05:41
Keep in mind for sure. For sure. Man, this would As I say, man, this has been awesome, Jesse. I really appreciate you sharing sort of your story. Sharing some of I think there's a lot of information here that people take a lot out of. So super great to chat with you. Nice meeting you and sort of hearing your story. Thank you. No problem. No problem. Thanks everyone for listening. I really appreciate it. Episode sixty six. Thanks, coach a j for stepping in. My pleasure. Alright. Bye, everyone. Thanks.

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